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on this episode of skeptico

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a show about hearing the truth you need

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to find the truth about yourself

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it's quite simple chat you need to get

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quiet not just with your mouth with your

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mind and in that quiet you will hear the

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truth

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even if it's coming from yourself

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how could you have to force yourself to

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be what you already are

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you're here so there's nothing you have

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to force

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that first clip was from a 2012 movie a

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thousand words and the second was from

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today's returning guest Tim Grimes

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the show is a little different from the

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usual skeptical stuff although I've done

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a few shows on this and as you know this

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is really where my heart's at what's

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nearest and dearest to me so I hope you

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enjoy it

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics I'm your host Alexa Garis

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and today we welcome back Tim Grimes

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Tim is the author of The Joy of not

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thinking a radical approach to happiness

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this is the book that first introduced

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me to Tim it's still out there you can

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still read it for free on Kindle

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unlimited great book really enjoyed it

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you can also find Tim at

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radicalcounselor.com I've pulled that up

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on the screen if you're ever watching on

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YouTube and uh he's got a number of

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other books on Amazon and he has really

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great podcasts as well that

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I love listening to I'm just it's one of

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the ones I wait for and see if it pops

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up and I get to it right away so I have

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had Tim out a couple times I obviously

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you can tell from what I just said that

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I really appreciate his work so I pinged

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him to do this different project and I

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just thought it'd be fun and Tim

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welcome back thanks so much for being

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here thank you Alex it's a always a

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pleasure I realize I'm sitting this I

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have a very comfortable chair and I'm

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very far back from the screen so I'm

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going to move up a little bit I might

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move back later hi everybody

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that looks good okay now our now our

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heads are about the same size instead of

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me looking like giant head

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so I pinged you a couple months ago I

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guess because I have this practice it's

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one of my daily practices I won't say

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spiritual practice but it is a spiritual

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practice and that is that I have these

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questions that I've written for myself

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because I've found that questions

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provoke me and provoke that little voice

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in my head to answer them in a unique

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way or in a way that inspires me so I

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said hey Tim I've actually added to my

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list of questions with some of the

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questions that I've gotten from your

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show what do you think about doing a

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show on

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seven questions for the voice inside

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your head and you responded in exactly

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the way I would have expected and hoped

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that you it's mine you're like hell yeah

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I'm down for that that sounds good so I

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don't know if it'll be seven questions

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it might be more it might be less

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but tell me tell everybody kind of what

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you think of this idea in general of

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questions for the voice inside your head

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sure I know you're a fan of the joy of

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not thinking that book and in that book

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uh it's a short book it's more like a

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guide one of the things I talk about is

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there's something running in our mind

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constantly and it's it's our thinking

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right but we usually we consider our

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thinking to be and a lot of the time

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it's annoying as all [\h__\h] and it's uh

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destroying our life it's making us feel

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stressed out and incompetent as opposed

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to feeling decent and alive and you know

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refined different ways to make it so

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that that bothersome voice in my head

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can be neutralized relatively easily and

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relatively consistently

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and relatively quickly a lot of the time

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and there's different ways of doing that

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that's the joy of not thinking is

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primarily about and I think we're going

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to probably dive into some of those ways

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today and these questions are a way of

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enabling us to first of all notice this

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voice in our head that it's just a voice

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be a piece even with this voice in our

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head being there because we realize that

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if this thing talking to us is not

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actually the end-all be-all

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then things are I love that I love both

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parts of that because you know it's

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end-all be-all I think is key it's not

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that the voice inside our head isn't us

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that you bring this back to

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questions is exactly what you said is

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that maybe I'm okay

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maybe maybe I'm okay and uh that is that

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true that's certainly a message that

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might be worth kind of getting back in

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touch with so we'll just jump right into

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take a minute if you want I can pause I

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this out this is the gold right here

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it's me looking at these questions

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there anything I need to do or force to

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be present because that's a darn good

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just is there anything I need to do or

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force to be present okay we hear

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obviously all the time in popular

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culture now you know be present you know

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how do I do that you know and do I you

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know do I have to do something special

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like well you have to meditate a certain

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way or breathe a certain way or

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say a mantra in a certain way and in my

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opinion that's all baloney you do not

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have to force anything to be here right

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is just logic you're here

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there's nothing you have to do to be

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you're here so there's nothing you have

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an ice bath or whatever I'm just here I

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love that and I love the fact that you

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also play with the other side of it

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which is if that is true and it's

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radically true why is it hard for me to

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get to that place and if I kind of say

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what can I do to kind of boost my

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chances of of getting there of being

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present so I'm going to start with my

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directly from your podcast Law of

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Attraction explored and here's the

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question what if I redirect my

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imagination to feel what I want

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associated with it the negativity we've

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created but we also have some positive

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aspects to our voice that we can tap

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into an imagination for me and I think

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at daydreaming I'm good at playing

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pretend that's all imagination oh so I

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have imagination What if I could

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redirect it which is such an awesome

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word too it's not forcing it's just it's

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there it's imagining what if I could

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redirect it and what am I going to

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redirect it towards am I going to boss

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it around and tell it to do this or not

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it that's the magic of the question is I

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can't help but answer it I answer and I

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couple times I go hell man I got the

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keys to the kingdom right here

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off of you so add to it that's it I mean

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in my book which is different than the

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even though we are imagining negatively

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so how about if we start playing with

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this whole idea more and realize that if

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imagining more of what we want and you

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know it it sounds easy to do

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sounds but it also can be as simple as

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what you want right now if you're

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imagining all the time you can imagine

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imagination you can at least start

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little bit closer and the closer you get

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the easier it will be to feel it and

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even if you can't go all the way right

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now

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you'll start to loosen up some and you

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might be feeling like crap and by

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thinking about what you really want to

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feel

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neutralize some of that negativity in

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the very least and what Alex is saying

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and many people can do this they can

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just redirect redirect redirect redirect

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until they're feeling pretty darn good

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having done nothing except you just use

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their minds and bodies to imagine what's

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going on right now in the present moment

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okay why don't you pick the next one

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let me see this is the the best part

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it's you know what they say the truth is

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the uh the silence between the talk or

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something like that so how easy so do we

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just do how easy is it to look between

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my eyes and just watch

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similar but I mean a lot of these are

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going to be similar they're going to

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intersect a lot of them exactly well

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said right they're going to intersect

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them diagram thing totally so yeah how

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easy is it to just look between my eyes

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and just watch so in other words how

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easy is it to do this well you might

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begin to be getting the drift here of

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what we're discussing

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it's really freaking easy

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because we're not trying to do anything

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outside of ourselves you're here right

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now

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pretty much undeniable you're here right

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now

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opinion that's also undeniable you're

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thinking right so why can't we just be

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here right now

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you know the other thing I toss in there

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and I'll get you to kind of Riff on this

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is that again and I love this Dynamic

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and I think people will either get it

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and appreciate it or they'll just think

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we're talking around in search or not

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right

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but that's this interplay between

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the doing and the not doing you know and

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it's very kind of non-dual kind of [\h__\h]

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but it's it there's a certain reality to

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it that we can relate to

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when I physically use these little

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tricks to kind of trick this

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Consciousness thing into experiencing

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being here now it like gives me a little

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boost so when I close my eyes and bring

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the attention of my focus to this space

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between my head I know that's [\h__\h]

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on some level of it's some kind of

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physical thing but God darn it if it

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doesn't work every time I do it and it

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also I for me it stands in contrast to

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something you alluded to before of all

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this wacky messaging we get about

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meditation do this way and do that and

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seven hours is enough but might be too

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much and this and that it's like no just

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do this for one second just close your

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eyes and look between that spot right

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between your eyes did you feel something

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for an instant oh you did didn't you

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okay don't even worry about what it

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means but just wasn't that easy you just

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did it and something happened what is

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that a clue to to kind of break through

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this this voice in my head that won't

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let me alone and I I know you're an

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experienced uh meditator so this is uh

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but Zen mind beginner mine a riff on any

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of that that you uh that you like

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yeah I mean

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I remember the first time actually that

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uh I sat down and

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tried to perform formals that meditation

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I was probably 17 or 18 years old and I

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just read this book

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I think I had read partisan my

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beginner's Mind by shooting with Suzuki

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and I've read this other book by

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deshimaru I think is his name

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and I sat down and like I immediately

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was like in this ecstatic state

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and then I proceeded to basically

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meditate every day for the next 12 or so

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years and that ecstatic state was so

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[\h__\h] hard to come by

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sometimes it was there but 98 of the

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time it was nothing like that and

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probably more like 99.8 percent of the

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time and you know I lived at a [\h__\h]

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Zen Center for a year like I was

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meditating a lot and you know the great

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Zen teachers they all basically say like

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they're like oh it's not about that it's

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not about that ecstasy whatsoever so

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what's it about because I like a lot of

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those young people I like a lot I still

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really relate to that stuff what what is

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it really about what it's really about

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is the [\h__\h] sensation between your

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eyeballs in the middle of your forehead

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right now

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or you know if you just bang your chest

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I'm not going to do it too loudly

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because I have a mic on but like if you

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bang your chest really quickly or if you

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were just to scream I'm not going to

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scream but if you were to scream ah

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that moment what happens

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you realize that

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that thinking mind is not the real you

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the real you is something much deeper

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profound holistic and good or Dare we

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say it God

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within you that's here all along and is

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actually running the whole operation

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this little thinking thing is just part

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of it and this little thinking thing has

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plenty of good practical purposes don't

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get me wrong but when it is on overdrive

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and you think that is all there is

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it will probably [\h__\h] you up in a bad

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way that's you know most of my work is

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basically about that and you do not need

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to do any formal meditation

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formal brouhaha have a special diet

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being you know some kind of

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crazy discipline whatever in order to

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realize that you are here right now and

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what you are is not that little thinking

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mind

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nice okay I'll toss another one out

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there

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what if it's okay just to be happy

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and I love you know some of your earlier

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work about being playful which is I

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think another way of getting to this

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happiness thing that we know that we

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want

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and it's so interesting how we put up

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all these barriers to say well I can't

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really be happy until I finish the

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report I can't really be happy until I

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lose that five pounds I can't be happy

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until I make this much money

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and it's like yeah what if what if I

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just gave myself permission to you know

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just be happy right now happy not like

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peaceful any of that [\h__\h] happy

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I think that's powerful

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what are what are your thoughts on on

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that yeah I mean that's still some

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something that I feel like

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uh of all the stuff I've shared with

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people I I still think that's probably

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the most interesting thing that I've

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ever shared it's just that if you are

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really

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Goofy and playful and move your body and

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again I talked about this in the joy of

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not thinking I have a whole video series

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called stop being serious from a long

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time ago from over 10 years ago where

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it's just like literally me jumping up

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and down and doing all these ridiculous

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things and then talking about it some

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if you do that you're gonna feel good

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pretty much guaranteed you can feel like

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crap and if you jump around like a

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monkey and are blasting your favorite

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music and just do that with a hundred

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percent

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effort

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you're gonna realize that you are not

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you

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that's a hack and a secret that's so

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obvious like children intuitively kind

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of know it I I would say it's so obvious

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that it makes basically every adult in

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our culture uncomfortable totally

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uncomfortable I've spoken about this

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stuff for years and most people I speak

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to you know Alex is an exception like

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most people I speak to about it they

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don't even want to go near it

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you know I've got individual clients who

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are like you know I was trying to do the

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playful thing where I you know bang my

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chest like a monkey and I couldn't do it

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and you have to ask like

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why not you know you're alone in a room

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why can't you bang your just like a

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monkey why can't you make some funny

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noises why tell us to talk like this to

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yourself for a minute or two or three

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minutes all right why can't you do it

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because if you do it you're gonna break

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those boundaries and you're not who you

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think you are you're something else

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it's very interesting how we are not

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comfortable being playful

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kids are but adults usually not not so

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much awesome okay uh why don't you pick

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the next one sure

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oh the whole vibing thing I I put that

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there like connecting that so we haven't

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really talked about that yet do you have

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anything put it in a question put it in

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a question questions were magic yeah

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okay what happens when I Vibe out

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so when I say Vibe out that again

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circles back to just well what if I'm

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just okay being here right now and I

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just relax my body to the best of my

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abilities and let my mind race like a

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[\h__\h]

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and think whatever it's gonna think and

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if my body even though I'm relaxing

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physically is in pain I just let it be

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physically in pain and I just relax into

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it as best I can

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but what's going to happen if I do that

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for five or ten minutes I remember the

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first time I interviewed him I always

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remember this line and it's like one of

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those it's like you're you're silliness

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thing that I I'm almost embarrassed I

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did all the Stillness exercise they're

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awesome by the way but you said you know

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I always want to be a bum

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yeah that was Tim Grimes that's like

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[\h__\h] dude you will admit that you admit

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that like we all just wanted to be a bum

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when we were kids we thought that was

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the coolest thing in the world just to

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have nothing to do just to Vibe out you

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know and then we got indoctrinated with

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all the rest of stuff some of which is

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good but I associate that when I hear

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you say you know

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bye about what if it's okay just you

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know what happens if I Just Vibe out do

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you wanna does that connect of course I

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mean that's like uh

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again this is all of the Joy's not

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thinking but like

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that's the thing I mean if I'm being

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awesome myself

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I I always related to people who are

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basically bumps you know and then like

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you know when I got into spirituality I

540
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got into spirituality relatively young

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like you know you read about those

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Indian and Japanese and Mystics you know

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and they're just living by the side of

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the river you know where they're playing

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a bamboo float flute

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or they're not doing anything

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that's what I can relate to to this day

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you know and I have a lot of

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responsibilities these days most of

550
00:21:55,370 --> 00:21:53,340
which I enjoy you know I enjoy my

551
00:21:57,770 --> 00:21:55,380
children you know I enjoy the work that

552
00:22:01,450 --> 00:21:57,780
I do but

553
00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:01,460
I can't relate to that go go

554
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,159
mentality because that Go-Go mentality

555
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,200
connotates

556
00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:09,600
overthinking for me and for some people

557
00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:11,159
perhaps it doesn't but I think that

558
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,980
people are so very serious about

559
00:22:20,029 --> 00:22:16,320
living their life and being this certain

560
00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:20,039
kind of person and in my opinion you

561
00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:21,559
know

562
00:22:30,430 --> 00:22:27,720
my zen Masters I really looked up to he

563
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:30,440
was a 20th centuries and master he said

564
00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:32,820
Enlightenment is like a thief breaking

565
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,260
into an empty house

566
00:22:38,510 --> 00:22:36,480
there's nothing to steal and there's no

567
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:38,520
one to catch them

568
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:42,000
and uh I really that line some mates how

569
00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:44,460
I look at life really and that means

570
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,900
like I'm kind of I have a bomb

571
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:48,480
sensibility I'm not afraid to admit that

572
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,100
you know in the same way you know they

573
00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:52,559
called Koto sawaki homeless kodo sawaki

574
00:22:56,270 --> 00:22:54,299
because he never had a he had like a

575
00:22:57,289 --> 00:22:56,280
traveling Temple he had no home he goes

576
00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:57,299
what's wrong with being homeless we're

577
00:23:02,990 --> 00:22:59,460
all homeless anyway in reality you know

578
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:03,000
so love it okay let's try and do two

579
00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:03,960
more

580
00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:07,500
sure call it we won't overdo it

581
00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:10,860
uh I'll pick this one I love this one

582
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:12,659
what if I didn't complain about the

583
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:14,280
weather

584
00:23:18,409 --> 00:23:16,740
and uh the reason I throw this in there

585
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,419
is because it's kind of a little bit

586
00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:19,919
we're all positive and all this stuff

587
00:23:25,390 --> 00:23:21,900
it's kind of a negative part it's kind

588
00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:25,400
of getting right at our self-centered

589
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:30,600
egotistical narcissistic voice that

590
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:32,940
maybe we need to once in a while just

591
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,200
kind of

592
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,480
check it a little bit you know just bro

593
00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:39,120
are you are you really you you know the

594
00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:41,340
sun's 94 million miles away and it heats

595
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:43,740
up the ocean and that forms clouds and

596
00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:46,799
that forms rain and you know there's a

597
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:48,659
lot of billions of people on the planet

598
00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:52,140
and in that context you're pretty

599
00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:55,620
pretty small element to be considering

600
00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:58,020
why the [\h__\h] is it going to rain on

601
00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:01,500
Friday or Saturday or that's my day off

602
00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:05,340
you're not the center of the universe Mr

603
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:07,620
sun isn't shining on the ocean in order

604
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:11,640
to rain on your freaking weekend and

605
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,760
weather I think immediately catapults us

606
00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:17,039
into that what are what are your

607
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:19,140
thoughts on the kind of checking the

608
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:22,020
narcissistic part of that voice

609
00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:24,840
well I think it you know I

610
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,700
it ties a little bit back into what we

611
00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:28,320
were just discussing about being a bum

612
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:30,600
like

613
00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:37,070
if it rains out it rains all right I

614
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:39,960
guess I gotta find shelter

615
00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:43,320
but that's all there is to it

616
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:45,480
it's not like

617
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:48,600
it's not a big deal and we live in a day

618
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:49,740
and age

619
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:51,900
where we're so inundated with people

620
00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:55,380
complaining and social media in many

621
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,700
ways there's a lot of good things about

622
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,559
social media but in many ways it's like

623
00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:01,440
a gigantic pool of people

624
00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:03,780
complaining about the weather

625
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,299
and we're just talking about just

626
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,760
dropping that from your life or in the

627
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:10,080
very least dropping that from your

628
00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:11,360
day-to-day

629
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:13,980
reality most stuff that we think we need

630
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:15,419
to happen

631
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:21,120
to be happy okay you get to pick the

632
00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:23,700
last one we went way over seven I think

633
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:25,980
which is great because seven was a trick

634
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,779
too here in case you didn't notice it

635
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:30,000
why do you need seven questions I got

636
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:32,340
about 30 on my list but seven you were

637
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:34,919
like okay seven questions but pick the

638
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,080
last one yeah I mean I was just going to

639
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:38,880
say that obviously any of these

640
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:40,020
questions

641
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,900
if they resonate for you and exactly

642
00:25:48,049 --> 00:25:44,400
like Alex did you can make your own

643
00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:48,059
questions just asking a couple of them

644
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,700
or even one of them a day to yourself

645
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:52,559
is enough to

646
00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:54,600
see different things transpire I think

647
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,039
just because

648
00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:58,620
you're questioning your sense of your

649
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,140
normal thinking reality so it's not

650
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:02,400
about the number of questions to be

651
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,620
obvious it's it's about what you're

652
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,720
asking yourself each day and that can be

653
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:08,820
one question or many so yeah can I let

654
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:10,260
go of some of the heavy stuff have we

655
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:13,020
done that yet Alex I feel like oh yeah I

656
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:14,520
I really want you to do that one because

657
00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:16,679
I think I got that one from you too so

658
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,779
yeah go ahead can I like some of the

659
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,520
heavy stuff again all these things tie

660
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:21,840
together all these questions tied

661
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,440
together but when we go at things in

662
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:27,120
this kind of alternative way you know I

663
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:28,980
like to say radical way

664
00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:31,260
and we realized that that voice in our

665
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:33,539
heads that is dictating seemingly

666
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,820
everything is not actually the thing in

667
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:37,679
charge and that there's something else

668
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:39,659
in charge that's much greater than that

669
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:42,360
and that that thing is not really a

670
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,100
thing but it's just it's it's life

671
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,080
itself and that we can relax into that

672
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:49,039
because it's good in some like profound

673
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,419
incomprehensible way

674
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,820
when we realize that

675
00:26:58,610 --> 00:26:56,880
a lot of seemingly negative [\h__\h] can be

676
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:58,620
going on in our lives you know we can

677
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:00,840
have problems you know serious problems

678
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,700
you know health problems financial

679
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:05,100
problems relationship problems what have

680
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:05,940
you

681
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:09,240
but this thing is still here

682
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:13,020
this sense of goodness even when we

683
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:15,720
think with our thinking in our mind that

684
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:18,960
everything's terrible this other not

685
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,460
thing thing

686
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:23,039
is here the whole time and you can still

687
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:25,799
focus on that thing between your eyes or

688
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,620
jump up and down like a monkey or vein

689
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:30,000
your chest or do whatever the heck you

690
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:32,279
want to do and Bam

691
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:35,940
maybe just for an instant

692
00:27:41,149 --> 00:27:38,279
you realize the truth is not what you're

693
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,159
thinking in all of that heavy stuff

694
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,640
ultimately as terrible as it may be is

695
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,559
not real in the way you think it is and

696
00:27:51,049 --> 00:27:49,679
that is a tremendous tremendous

697
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:51,059
tremendous

698
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,580
relief and that's something you can

699
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:56,159
practice doing you know on a daily basis

700
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,600
pretty much

701
00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:00,480
yeah that's great we're all just playing

702
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:02,700
with these ideas but

703
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,500
a lot of times it seems to me like the

704
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:05,760
heavy stuff

705
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:07,740
is the stuff we just feel I can't I

706
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:10,260
can't let go of that you know I the

707
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:13,320
grief that I feel and what I caused I

708
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,539
mean yeah Tim tell me about the other

709
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,880
[\h__\h] I'll try and like I can't let go of

710
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:19,440
that

711
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:21,299
and it's like well

712
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,340
what if you could what if you could let

713
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:25,380
go of some not all of it but what if you

714
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,059
could let go of some

715
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,279
of the really heavy stuff because maybe

716
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:31,380
you've told yourself no no the heavy

717
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:35,460
stuff you know just another way to

718
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,140
pick this thing apart is the way that uh

719
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:42,840
the way that I saw it

720
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,480
you know maybe a way to wrap it up and I

721
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:47,520
want you to tell people about what you

722
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,400
do and your books and your podcast and

723
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:53,520
your coaching and and that kind of stuff

724
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,620
but I also want to talk about what you

725
00:28:59,470 --> 00:28:56,880
and I were talking about at the

726
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:59,480
beginning which is

727
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:01,620
what it means from a practical

728
00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:03,900
standpoint to remove some of these

729
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,100
barriers because in a way

730
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:10,080
what we've been talking about is the

731
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:12,840
stuff that kind of clutters us from

732
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:15,840
this magic that's going inside and you

733
00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:17,580
know from your experience working with

734
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:20,039
people what does it mean when some of

735
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:22,440
that stuff is kind of cleared out of the

736
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:25,620
pathway there I mean frankly

737
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:27,960
you know Miracles can happen is what

738
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:29,640
people think but really I think it's

739
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,080
just you get out of your own way so

740
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:32,640
stuff

741
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,899
straighten out you know whether that

742
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,640
means relationship issues you know I've

743
00:29:41,930 --> 00:29:39,840
worked with quite a few people who've

744
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,940
had serious relationship issues whether

745
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:44,640
it means you know something with like

746
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:48,360
divorce or kids stuff like that all of a

747
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:50,820
sudden the relationship is

748
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,860
you know it's a remedy to a large degree

749
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,240
something like that I think as you get

750
00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:56,220
out of your own way and that and you

751
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:57,779
allow for something like that to happen

752
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,960
that's a good example but

753
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:02,940
when you stop taking your that inner

754
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:04,440
voices seriously you become a more

755
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,059
empathetic person you know you don't

756
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,399
become uh dispassionate towards other

757
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:10,620
people's needs you become more able to

758
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:13,140
deal with people so I think that

759
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,940
interpersonal thing is is

760
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,039
something I've really noticed and you

761
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:19,919
know obviously not obviously but your

762
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:21,720
health generally improves the more crap

763
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:24,120
you get out of your your mental crap to

764
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,500
get out of your system you might be

765
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:27,120
surprised that your health improves more

766
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:28,500
you know for some people their financial

767
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:30,840
situation might improve you know they've

768
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:33,840
been so much of it just comes back to

769
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,600
being open

770
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,360
to life and not being as overwhelmed by

771
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,559
the thoughts in your head and thinking

772
00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:42,240
that is all there is to life but being

773
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:45,080
okay with you're here

774
00:30:49,090 --> 00:30:47,460
that's that's fine to be here and it's

775
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:49,100
actually good just to be here right now

776
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,860
so Tim as we wrap it up tell folks more

777
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:54,960
about your work

778
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:58,440
broadly your podcast your books sure

779
00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:01,740
your website yeah so I've written at

780
00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:03,059
this point I've written a lot of books

781
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:04,919
uh or several books I should say that

782
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,320
mainly deal with what exactly what we

783
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,640
were talking about just mental health

784
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:11,279
stress relief and that kind of bringing

785
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:12,480
them together with spirituality

786
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,000
spiritual Concepts and a lot of Law of

787
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:16,799
Attraction Concepts I use the term Law

788
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:18,659
of Attraction Loosely I have a whole

789
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,820
podcast where I explore a lot of the

790
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:23,279
older 20th century Law of Attraction

791
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,600
teachers because they have a lot of

792
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,760
great practical information that you can

793
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,080
tie together with what we've been

794
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:30,840
discussing today so I talk about a lot

795
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:32,039
of teachers that I think should be known

796
00:31:36,409 --> 00:31:33,960
but really are not well known and a lot

797
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,419
of their ideas tie together with

798
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:38,640
you know just being open to the moment

799
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:41,520
like like we just have been doing for

800
00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:43,380
the last hour or so so I tie all that

801
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,700
stuff together and then I provide

802
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:46,080
counseling and coaching for people who

803
00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:47,279
want to basically just go deep with me

804
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:48,779
to do the stuff that Alex and I just did

805
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,020
you know and realize that

806
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:54,720
what's happening right now is

807
00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:57,419
is good you know or if you want to use a

808
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:58,440
spiritual term what's happening right

809
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,880
now is God but we don't have to use

810
00:32:04,850 --> 00:32:01,799
spiritual terms it's just realizing that

811
00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:04,860
what is going on right this moment is

812
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:06,600
fine and there's nothing wrong with you

813
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:09,000
you know that with that comes relief

814
00:32:12,590 --> 00:32:10,919
that's the Stress Management element is

815
00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:12,600
that you feel better when you realize

816
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:14,520
there's nothing wrong with you so that's

817
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,740
what I do with people

818
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:18,360
awesome

819
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:20,760
glad you're out there doing it glad I

820
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,100
found you man you're just a gem you're a

821
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,500
gift it's always a pleasure uh you know

822
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:27,120
talking to you Alex and this I hope that

823
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,360
this uh this hour or so has been helpful

824
00:32:33,289 --> 00:32:31,440
for people because I know it's a little

825
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bit different and I think hopefully what

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we were just doing is something that

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people will be able to utilize in their

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own day-to-day lives you know in terms

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of the questions and stuff like that so

830
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awesome buddy we'll leave it right there

831
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terrific thanks again to Tim Grimes for

832
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joining me today on skeptico the one

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question I'd have for you is what is the

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question that you ask that voice inside

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your head

836
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let me know your thoughts love to hear

837
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from you on the skeptical Forum or email

838
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or anywhere else you might reach me

839
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that's going to do it for this episode

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until next time take care